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Monday, August 11, 2008

Lisa See: How Book Clubs Have Changed

Today's guest blogger, Lisa See, shares her first book club memory --- accompanying her parents to a unisex discussion group in the 1960s --- and how she has seen book clubs change over the years. Lisa is the author of numerous books, including the novels Snow Flower and the Secret Fan and Peony in Love. To read an interview with Lisa, click here.


When I was a kid --- oh, about forty years ago, and how scary is that? --- my mom and step-father used to drag me along to their monthly "discussion group." It was a book club made up of couples --- all graduate students. My step-father would complain all the way to whoever's house we were going and all the way back about how so-and-so was a jackass or how the book selection was "moronic." My mom complained she never was as sleepy as she was at those meetings, digging her nails into her palms to stay awake when everyone was trying to prove that he or she was the smartest person in the room. I lingered on the edges, listening, and watching as everyone --- as my mother has put it --- "tried to fake their way into the adult community."

This was the Sixties, so people had things like giant looms in the living room and homemade macrame for curtains. We'd eat a potluck of tuna casseroles, hotdogs and beans, and other dishes that graduate students could afford to make. As the decade wore on, the members of the group became far less interested in discussing books than smoking pot, drinking too much tequila, and committing adultery. Fun for all!

Jump ahead to 1995, when my first book, On Gold Mountain, came out. I was invited to talk to my first book club, which was comprised of parents from my son's elementary school class. (Let me say right here then I hadn't known this book club existed because my husband and I hadn't been invited. Not that I hold a grudge or anything.) The women wanted to talk about the book, the characters, and the underlying themes. But the men had something else on their minds altogether: "How much money do you make?" "How did you get an agent?" "How does your husband feel about you shilling yourself?" "Did your editor help you write the book?" "Who takes care of Alexander when you're writing?" Yikes!

All I can say is thank God for Oprah. She single handedly changed the dynamic of the book club. Overnight men decided --- for the most part --- to stay home. I can't say how many book clubs I've visited in person in the last thirteen years, but it has to be in the hundreds. These last three years, I've limited myself to visiting two book clubs a week by speaker phone. By now, I think I've spoken to book clubs in nearly every state, as well as in several countries. Boy oh boy, have they changed!

I've visited book clubs made up of women who were either pregnant or had children under the age of two, who only wanted to talk about the pregnancies and births in Peony in Love. I've talked to numerous book clubs with just mothers and daughters, and a few with granddaughters too. I've seen a growth in book clubs with specialized membership: hospice-care worker, church, country club, retirement, Jewish, Mormon, lesbian, and sailing --- all of them women-only book clubs. Even the one that started in my son's class sent the men home. When I visited for Snow Flower and the Secret Fan, the ambiance had changed completely: better food, better wine, better discussion, more tears, and far more laughs.

This isn't to say that women in book clubs these days don't still drink or do some of that other stuff that I remember from my childhood. Alcohol seems to play a major role in a lot of book clubs. I spoke to one book club that called itself The Winos. Another had an ongoing contest to see who could make the best margaritas. And of course how can women gather together and not eat? On the down side, there are still those occasional know-it-alls who try to monopolize the discussion.

The single biggest change I've seen and the one I love most --- and maybe this will sound funny coming from a writer --- is that the book is usually secondary to the experience of women talking to each other. Often women tell me that they spend about twenty minutes talking about the book and the rest of the meeting talking about life. I understand that. We're all so busy, yet we all desire companionship and a place to let down our hair. When and where else do we get to be with other women to boast, complain, commiserate, and laugh at silly stuff? I may be popping in to talk about my books, but what we're really talking about is life. I feel very privileged to get to be a part of those conversations.

---Lisa See

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a -- gasp -- male member of a book group, I feel singed, if not outright flamed, by this blog entry. The reading group to which I belong has had both men and women come and go over the years, yet I am apparently no longer to be welcomed there because I belong to the same gender that asked the blogger some years ago certain questions that were off-topic.

From my perspective, I see no pressing need to offer high praise to Oprah for driving men away from a formerly mixed institution. Society has plenty of recognized separate spheres for companionship with one's own gender. We have separate poker/bunko games, mother's/father's nights out, and craft/hunting meets. But we have precious few places in society where men and women can meet together and talk about matters of the head and heart that may be prompted by a given book.

And I am definitely calling "double standard" here. Women can freely move to outside topics after 20 minutes in their own segregated clubs, yet men aren't allowed to ask whether an author had significant editing help?

Somewhere, I think the first wave of feminist pioneers is frowning to think that we have so far to go to reach true gender equality.

Aug 12, 2008, 4:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting post. I have a book club made up mostly of stay-at-home Moms with young children. What I find interesting is that the die hards (the members who show up each and every month) not only read the books, but come up with some wonderful and insightful thoughts to share. It has been a really great group to not only discuss books, but as you said, let our hair down a bit.

Aug 15, 2008, 4:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must belong to the best bookclub in existence. We are older women with an occasional man joining us. New members are always welcome. We meet in a library once a month in the morning and, to their dismay,
we refused their kind offer of a coffeepot because we just want to talk about the book and not worry about refreshments. We have great discussions whether we liked the book or not. We start with a question that our leader gave us the week before which gives us an opportunity to relate an incident in our life to something in the story. We have gotten to know each other well by doing this and I believe it has enriched us all. Ms. See, any time you would like to visit you would be very welcome!

Jan 11, 2009, 2:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Rick D Reader said...

This from the male perspective: I go to two different book club meetings, both @ public libraries in my town. I joined because I wanted a hard reason to buckle down and read a book. In essence I needed to learn how to read at age 45. I was more than welcome as a man and have even been asked specific questions regarding a male perspective (not that I could or would speak for my gender as a whole). I have been flattered and pilloried for my opinions, sometimes in the same evening.
The discussions are always exciting and spirited. We freely express our opinions and freely accept opposing opinions.I have learned to adore certain "Chick Authors" and abhor some "Guy Writers".
I have made friends of both sexes in these meetings and cherish the relationships that have been formed. I pity those who do not take the time to include the opposition in their lives.These evenings are designed to expand our horizons. Viva La YinYang!

Mar 28, 2009, 9:09:00 PM  

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